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Adem IAR
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Re: Hello!
« Reply #15 on Jun 29, 2006, 1:27am »

Thanks for inviting me Jess, looking forward to spending hours of my work time on here instead of doing actual work!

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« Reply #16 on Jun 29, 2006, 9:10am »

Hiya

This looks great -lots of potential. Thanks for setting it all up.

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« Reply #17 on Jun 29, 2006, 3:34pm »

Hey! Don't diss the Clea! One cannot to exhault the music of Girls Aloud, BwO and so on and take a authoritian delineation of what is and not of poptastic pop with regards to Clea!

Secondly there is a far more serious point!. Yes they are trashtastic and abject. Horrifically outdated. They Rebuke the notion that pop has to be ironic (girls aloud, annie, Pay-Tv) Moreover, in consequence the most insulting part of Clea's current music is its utter refusal to be seen as cool. Whereas Girls Aloud harness the multidisciplinary pop of Xenomania, Dannii's 12" instrumentals, BwO's OTT lyrics, and Rachel Stevens mimics the cool air of Goldfrapp, Clea have negated this trajectory that "pop: to be appeased".

It is not electronic, kitch or mainstream. They link up the utopia of ABBA without the 2006 requrements of self-deconstruction. And for this relegation: its too much. Clea are the scum of popworld. They are the ones who have resisted cool producers in an attemp to "fit in".

Pop is a margonal world(re closure of Smash Hits) and in that world comes those acts who want to be recognised by the indie/rock society and those who do not. Kylie's 1998 album, Impossible Princess, reveals the polar process where bodies reject their artwork in favour of acceptance which led to Minogue's demise during the late 90's. Clea refuse to crossover and for this people refuse to explore what the music offers.

Pop is always a joke nowadays and yet Clea are producing music so close the nectar of pop that the punchline is hidden amongst bubbles of their material. In this, Clea makes the pop listener work harder. Yes Annie's Number 1 is post-pop but Clea are post-post-Pop. Because of this, people can't see the Clea wink and thus the structural deconstructive force of their utter banality is so demanding even the most ardent of pop fans has trouble with the velocity of their popness. These days, our-pop has to be electro, Moroder influenced, goldfrapped sci-fi, ironic, guitar and so on. As a consequence: the pop of Clea refuses to catagorise itself in these norms. This is why Clea are so shocking: "its rubbish" claims the Kylie fan who holds close his ubercool I Believe In You Cd but secretly harbours a definitive love of Light Years, "its utter crap" screams the BwO fan not realising that BwO are more traditional than Clea could ever wish to be.

Clea are so mainstream in pop they are totally abject. Following from Foucault, Deleuze, Mackinnon, Dworkin(Andrea) and Nietzsche(and Hegel) we must explore what society confers as darkness or abject rather than deny, refuse and destroy it for even in destruction they remain breathing/crushing all what we want and desire.

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Re: Hello!
« Reply #18 on Jun 29, 2006, 4:00pm »

^ I love you. My sentiments precisely, down to the concept of Clea being post-post-pop.

And to think, all I was going to post was "Hey, I like Clea!!"

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« Reply #19 on Jun 29, 2006, 6:25pm »

I don't actually have anything against Clea! Some of their songs have been quite good, although I was unimpressed by the latest one. It's only some of the Clea fans that I've come across who can barely string a sentence together (and I apologise to any who that doesn't apply to) who have put me off the band somewhat.

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« Reply #20 on Jun 30, 2006, 2:37pm »

I'm just signing in, after a bit of a delay (I got an activation e-mail on the third time of asking). This Clea thread seems to be the most popular on the whole forum so far. If I start a thread called "Goodbye" do you think it might develop into a Rachel Stevens thread?

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Re: Hello!
« Reply #21 on Jul 7, 2006, 3:33pm »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4944516.stm

This article appeared on the BBC site back in April, about european pop music. There may be some interesting suggestions and recommendations in it.

There's always a quote from yours truly!

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Re: Hello!
« Reply #22 on Jul 8, 2006, 10:03pm »

I think there are too many subforums. Will there be enough discussion in each subforum? My personal opinion is there should be less, maybe even just one main board and you just prefix the post with the country, e.g.

[Spain] Las ketchup's new album.

I think that way people are more likely to look at threads they might not normally. Like certain people probably will never bother going into certain subforums.

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« Reply #23 on Jul 8, 2006, 11:12pm »

That's probably true, but I quite like it how it is and it took me ages to make all the little forums, so I'd be sad to get rid of all that. Maybe I'll do a poll and let the visitors decide.

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